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NitroExpress's avatar

According to ICI there's just north of $43 Trillion in US retirement plans. How much of that gets seized in the next financial crisis? Or simply 'converted' to digital format (ultimately the same thing)? The full-stop "Come to Jesus" moment will happen when millions have to awaken to the reality that their 'things' don't matter anymore, their people do. Because beyond that, there won't be a future. We shall see.

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Justin's avatar

So where do we get the patch!

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Ryan Peter John's avatar

Love

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Deb's avatar

Is Palantir, then, for the theft of the wealth and the National guard being deployed in US cities to control the unrest?

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E.M. Burlingame's avatar

Perhaps a little of all.

Tough, more, to rough out the theft infrastructure, human infrastructure, contracts, deals, laws…

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Deb's avatar

A technocracy

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Foster R. Stephens's avatar

Texans simply said, “Come and Take It.”

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FlyingAxblade's avatar

https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1806074449288499200?referrer=flyingaxblade quick & dirty today, imma short funds. down to silver in pocket. & scale in hand

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BHARAT VALA's avatar

So I decided to hook myself to the BP monitor before I started reading...outstanding results...

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Bacon Commander's avatar

Everything that's been done to the public has been accomplished through deceit, and under the "color of law" and at this point, every bit of the financial world runs through the computers of the enemy. Now they own the courts, the banks, the police, the hospitals, schools, the media, the infrastructure, the utilities, the legislatures, the bureaucracies, the corporations and the minds of hundred of millions of people.

There is only one way to take it back - through violence. But going up against an enemy that has amassed wealth, power and dominance for centuries is pure lunacy. There is no hope down that route, mainly because the majority of the public is brainwashed - and they will remain so. I will not fling myself at the castle walls of such a fortress, it avails nothing but more problems. That's one less vigorous body, one less righteous mind for just causes and one more example to hang out for the zombified masses.

We're going to have to build a better system of our own. No, fighting won't fix anything, won't win anything. The "fight" is much different than most suspect. It is not sexy, it's boring, it's hard work and there is absolutely no guarantee of victory. But building and creating is part of the divine plan for us, we need to access that mentality, rather than one of destruction and violence.

Do i want revenge? Justice? Of course i do, but we're literally in enemy territory. They own everything. Going down that path is pure folly. We have to make use of the very limited resources we have. The enemy has, for all practical intents and purposes, unlimited resources. We're gonna haveta claw back what we can and do it better - all while surviving the blows of tyranny.

Godspeed.

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E.M. Burlingame's avatar

Good luck with all that, Denethor II.

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Bacon Commander's avatar

I don't see any other viable path. I like to think God will honor some who follow this path and help some of us survive to do just what i've described above. We are created in God's image - to create and build, not destroy.

Believe you me, i am a veteran, and i have a blackness in my heart that would shame any other man. I am capable of such violence, i have trained for violence. But i am also able to assess the battlefield. This is not a fight that can be won by direct confrontation - not as long as the masses remain ensorcelled, and they will remain so.

I will continue to tilt my lance at the windmills, as it were. More Quixote than Denethor.

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NitroExpress's avatar

Humans were designed to create which is why we get depressed when all we do is consume. We're coming to the end of an era. Landfill Nation is full of empty Amazon boxes and stalled on the exit scales. Severe ontological shocks a.k.a., the disruption of fundamental axioms, is about to hit, where we'll find if we don't stand up when shoved down, we'll be put down for good. I don't pretend we former service types are going grab M4s, cut fence, and start straightening fuckers out. That's quaint but pointless. Too many people get vertically zero'ed for nothing. It has to be more than that. A movement starts from both ends: You need leaders and followers, and they do exist. It's going to be local and spread. Eventually regions will be carved out and systems implemented so they're functional. And it's doubtful, at least for A LONG time, that we'll be led under a system resembling the one we left behind. Look around the world, at history. It seldom works out that way. So while I agree going full-on mall cop at The Powers That Be is suicidal, so is doing nothing.

It's going to require more than small, entrenched homesteads or corrals. That's the start. But to succeed it'll take covering larger areas of like-minded folks. Maybe states assimilating from the outset? Regardless, the paradigms of daily life are going to change radically for most. As the say, "In ways that will try mens' souls."

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Raven's avatar

Care to elaborate how that clawing back that you see as the only way forward looks like in practical terms? My thinking and prepping is about building parallel systems. If you supply your own water and electricity, grow your own food etc, it's harder to blackmail you into submission by way of digital id etc. Do it far from any population center. I also put my money where my mouth is in that I built off-grid self-reliant systems for my family. In my opinion, this is the very least folks should aspire to to ensure they have breathing room, a solid platform. If you're cut off from the banking system, you won't be able to pay your bills, after all.

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Steve hall's avatar

Yes, I bought remote land in Appalachia in 2009 and have been building since. Our local barter systems are advanced and should transition into the collapse reasonably well. It's taken me a full 15 years to build infrastructure and mature food production systems. Building separate systems is the way

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Raven's avatar

Sounds great, Steve. Having local barter systems in off-grid self-reliant communities is pretty advanced in and of itself. If you guys form a club, don't barter outside of that club and have appropriate and written by-laws, the whole barter thing should even be safe from a tax perspective.

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Bacon Commander's avatar

I don't have all the answers, but what you described is almost exactly how i imagine it could and should go. Networking is crucial too, as you say. I have a big proponent of parallel economies and parallel systems for a few years now. Kudos to you for making it happen. That's amazing.

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Raven's avatar

For my family and friends, the actual networking is the tough part. Unless you're ready to adopt a change management-informed active role and start building a community of like-minded folks that complement each other, it's likely not going to happen. Unless you happen to already live in or relocate to a region where folks share your core values. Do you still plan to start your off-grid self-reliance journey? While I don't know anything about your context, I'd like to give some unsolicited advice: there will be a point past which it's going to become very hard to go that route: inflation, supply chains, gas, land prices, regulations. Not trying to be a fearmonger, it's common sense.

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Bacon Commander's avatar

Your concerns are valid. And while i don't have any practical experience with that lifestyle, i have been considering it for years. I am aware that it's not sexy, it's hard work, full of much sacrifice and there are no guarantees.

I don't have the resources for a big move right now. But i welcome your advice.

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